Last legislative session here in Wisconsin the folks up at the Capitol here in Madison were one vote away from decriminalizing conceal carry of handguns. It is quite an interesting story why they were one vote short. The original legislation passed through the state senate and house but was vetoed by Governor Doyle (democrat). There would have been enough votes to override the governor, but one person tipped the scale. It was a democrat from a tiny town in Wisconsin called Port Wing. This man, Gary Sherman was
the author of the bill. Yep, he voted for it, before he voted against it. What a debacle, all to protect his governor.
Well, it is coming up for vote again and my source in the capitol (Yes, I really do have a source!) tells me that they do not have enough to override the veto again - but they sure will try.
During all of this, some of the most whacked out information has come out for the public to chew on and some of the most daft commentary about the issue has been floated that I have seen in a long time. Realize these are elected officials making these comments, and that 46 other states have some sort of right to carry concealed weapons.
The Wisconsin State Troopers say they would get behind the bill if there were a provision to alert them, upon a traffic stop, if that car is registered to a person who has a conceal carry permit. (All quotes below are from an
article in the Wisconsin State Journal Nov. 7):
"I just think this is a no-brainer. For the life of me, I can't understand this resistance," said Casey Perry, executive director of the Wisconsin Troopers' Association. The group likely would endorse the bill if lawmakers would let officers access the list of permit holders in traffic stops, Perry said.
Give. Me. A. Break. Just like the system they have now when they stop people for speeding? Oh that's right, they don't have one.
And criminals won't use one or get a conceal carry permit.
Scott Gunderson, one of the sponsors of the bill gets it right:
"The people who are going to be causing problems on these traffic stops are not these permit holders," said Scott Gunderson, R-Waterford, the bill's chief sponsor in the Assembly.
I think the root of the problem lies in the fact that the police are too concerned with pulling people over all the time for whatever reason (fully half of all court cases are traffic), but that is a different post for a different day.
Listen to what crackpot police chief of Appleton Richard Myers said about the bill:
At a hearing on the bill last week, several lawmakers seized on comments Myers allegedly made that, if the legislation were adopted, he would advise his officers to "draw down" on, or point their weapons at, any permit holders they stop. Others have attributed comments to Myers suggesting he would put permit holders at the top of any list of suspects in unsolved crimes. Myers denied making the comments, although he has said officers would adopt a more "aggressive style" when approaching vehicles if the bill becomes law and thousands of more drivers could be on the road with a gun on the seat next to them. "You tell me: Do you think cops are going to act a little bit differently with that many more guns in cars out in the state?" Myers said... Knowing before the officer gets out of his or her car whether the owner of the vehicle has a permit "could at least empower the officers to have more information and to then begin to watch for behaviors that could either mitigate their anxiety or escalate their anxiety about the presence of a gun in that situation," Myers said.
Whoa nellie!!! The sky is falling! Lets
fisk it:
At a hearing on the bill last week, several lawmakers seized on comments Myers allegedly made that, if the legislation were adopted, he would advise his officers to "draw down" on, or point their weapons at, any permit holders they stop.
Are you out of your freakin' mind? Just because I legally hold a conceal carry permit you are going to draw your gun on me? Don't you think this technique would incite more gun violence? I wonder if this is the standard procedure in the other 46 states that have the right to conceal carry. Doubtful.
Others have attributed comments to Myers suggesting he would put permit holders at the top of any list of suspects in unsolved crimes.
Well
of course, those persons who legally register their guns and happen to maybe enjoy shooting sports or hunting should certainly be put at the top of any and all criminal lists. I think at the top of the list should be each and every Appleton police officer, since they all have legally registered handguns and carry them around all the time with them. Makes sense, no?
Myers denied making the comments, although he has said officers would adopt a more "aggressive style" when approaching vehicles if the bill becomes law and thousands of more drivers could be on the road with a gun on the seat next to them.
A more aggressive style. Well, thank you very little. Nothing better than being guilty before proven innocent I always say. Thousands more drivers with guns on seats? Ridiculous! Most if not ALL of the permit applicants will be current gun owners who are currently transporting their weapons in what fashion?
On the seat next to them, cased, unloaded! Like the current law says!!!!
Wisconsin State Statute Chapter 167.31.2 (b) says:
Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may place, possess or transport a firearm, bow or crossbow in or on a vehicle, unless the firearm is unloaded and encased or unless the bow or crossbow is unstrung or is enclosed in a carrying case.
Well, that means after going to the range, I unload my gun (duh), case it up and flop it on the front seat (or under it) for the trip home. Like everyone else does.
"You tell me: Do you think cops are going to act a little bit differently with that many more guns in cars out in the state?" Myers said.
No, you tell me. This is the elected police chief of Appleton making these obscene statements, folks. Really.
Knowing before the officer gets out of his or her car whether the owner of the vehicle has a permit "could at least empower the officers to have more information and to then begin to watch for behaviors that could either mitigate their anxiety or escalate their anxiety about the presence of a gun in that situation," Myers said.
Hey chief, are you trying to tell me that as of now, when your force makes a traffic stop, that they are assuming that the persons inside are
never armed? That is what it looks like in that last bit - that if you knew the persons had a legal permit that
then they would get all defensive - or offensive, as the case may be.
And none of this takes into account that the car that one of Appleton's finest is stopping may be stolen, borrowed, or a company car being used by an employee.
Well, I hope it does go through without the list being available for everyone to invade my privacy any time they desire. Until then I will read the paper, note the fallacies and laugh every time I read someone like the Appleton Police Chief make senseless comments - or will I cry?